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Well, that's depressing [May. 8th, 2015|11:32 am]
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We sat up to watch as much as we could of the election results. By three o' clock we'd finished the wine - the bottle of Cal Pla which helenraven gave me for my birthday, and which sustained us admirably through the dark hours, and the television coverage was offering more commentary and fewer actual results than I could stomach. I went to bed. durham_rambler is made of sterner stuff: he stayed on, I don't know how long for, and has gone out to a meeting this morning.

The point at which I decided I could take no more was when one of the talking heads produced the argument that Labour had done badly because Miliband had tried to reverse Blair's modernisation project and return to Labour's traditional policies. atpotch expresses it well here: "Blairite rules still seem to work. Parties not engaging on the centre ground cannot win - and Labour didn't attempt to do that by co-opting Tory-like policies enough, and making a play to other voters. No-one has succeeded without doing this since at least 1974, maybe earlier depending upon how you are arguing."

An alternative reading is that Miliband has not moved far enough to the left. Rejecting the centrist position of New Labour certainly earns you a hard time from the media, but trying to sell a policy on the basis that it isn't very left-wing doesn't get you off the Daily Mail's hook, either: better to say, yes, we are left-wing, and this is why.

After all, if you stood on a platform of an end to austerity, and no to Trident, what's the worst that could happen? Apart from 30+% swings in your favour, and a 20-year old MP, that is?
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[User Picture]From: shewhomust
2015-05-08 04:53 pm (UTC)
Tea is precisely what we need.
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[User Picture]From: cmcmck
2015-05-08 12:43 pm (UTC)
We gave up at 6.30.

Sigh :o(
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[User Picture]From: shewhomust
2015-05-08 04:54 pm (UTC)
6.30? Goodness!
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[User Picture]From: cmcmck
2015-05-09 03:47 pm (UTC)
Most of what was coming in any time soon was in by then so we retired.
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[User Picture]From: shewhomust
2015-05-09 03:52 pm (UTC)
The results in general seemed to be coming through later than expected. II don't know how far this is explained by the high turn-out.
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[User Picture]From: cmcmck
2015-05-09 04:09 pm (UTC)
That and local council elections on to, I think.

We still have a Tory council too although our ward has gone all Labour from one Labour and two Lib Dems, so that's a slight consolation at least.
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[User Picture]From: shewhomust
2015-05-09 11:11 am (UTC)
It occurs to me to ask: you were waiting for Rochester, weren't you?
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[User Picture]From: cmcmck
2015-05-09 03:39 pm (UTC)
We live in the next constituency over but it's my home town and I was glad to see that clown Reckless get the order of the boot!
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[User Picture]From: grondfic
2015-05-08 01:03 pm (UTC)
Too depressed to say anything, other than that I agree with your analysis above.

*sigh* five more years of it now ....
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[User Picture]From: shewhomust
2015-05-08 04:55 pm (UTC)
*sigh* five more years of it now ....

*trying not to think about it*
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[User Picture]From: sartorias
2015-05-08 01:27 pm (UTC)
Been watching from afar, wondering what is in store for our own circus next year . . .
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[User Picture]From: shewhomust
2015-05-08 04:56 pm (UTC)
This fixed-term parliament has been a first for us, and we have not enjoyed the long-drawn out pre-election campaign...
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[User Picture]From: sartorias
2015-05-08 05:00 pm (UTC)
Yeah, a bunch of my LJ reading list is UK and have been sharing their thoughts. I watched all yesterday, checking in with Al Jazeera when I went downstairs.

Atpotch has been particularly lucid, I think.
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From: atpotch
2015-05-08 07:41 pm (UTC)
This point about having a radical, more clearly leftist view, is very persuasive - have just been talking about this over dinner. As you point out, it's been done in Scotland, and in terms of vote share, the Greens did pretty well too.

I suppose 2015 Labour was ultimately neither fish nor fowl - neither confident in its leftist convictions nor explicitly reaching out to the centre-right. And that leaves you nowhere.

TCH
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[User Picture]From: shewhomust
2015-05-09 11:31 am (UTC)
I think this is a fair point, that whatever your political preference, you won't be won over by a party that's neither one thing nore the other.

And the same goes for Miliband personally: I felt he was constantly having to remember not to act naturally, not to be geeky. There was one particular PMQ, where Cameron was making jokes about - some gaffe of Ed Balls', I think, but I really don't remember - and Miliband was trying to answer back in kind. I was longing for him just to say "Ha, ha! Very funny. Now would the Prime Minister answer the question. please?"
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[User Picture]From: shewhomust
2015-05-09 11:22 am (UTC)
Oh, my birthday was back in April, when we were in London - and there's no reason why you should have known (and I haven't a clue when yours is...)
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